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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 8:58:59 GMT
It's early days after the EGM, but what do supporters and the trust do now?
I can't see many supporting this regime, so does the Trust just fold or start looking to create AFC Worcester?
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Post by creaner on Jul 8, 2016 10:36:55 GMT
Morning Lord Ealing, hope you are well! The trust will do what the trust is there for, to consult the membership (fans) after taking advice from Supporters' Direct and then decide what we do. The trust is as important now as it's ever been. If your membership has lapsed re-join and help maintain the last vestiges of sanity at the once glorious Worcester City FC
Details to follow...
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Post by creaner on Jul 8, 2016 10:41:30 GMT
Meant to say that we will be fulfilling the commitments we have made to the Community events over the summer, there was no board involvement anyway.
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Post by Croc on Jul 8, 2016 11:07:09 GMT
We regroup, and come back stronger - as the Irish Trade Union Leader James Larkin once said "The great appear great because we are on our knees: Let us rise."
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Jul 8, 2016 18:38:19 GMT
As Tom Petty sang "The weak grow strong, the strong carry on!" We will carry on, there are supporters interests to maintain, community interests to maintain, and very pissed off shareholders interests to maintain. How we do that will be up to our members. I'm sure people will take their own personal views as to what they wish to do and that is for their own consciences. I for one will not be at Bromsgrove very much, if at all, next season, I'll take in some away games though. Apart from that, it will be working with the Supporters Trust, there should be lots to do.
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Post by thatloudbloke on Jul 9, 2016 10:15:07 GMT
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Post by citytoon on Jul 9, 2016 12:41:35 GMT
Is talk of forming a phoenix club not premature? Should the focus not be on getting the Perdiswell application heard ASAP? If the planning application is approved then we are not looking at a very different playing field (excuse the pun)? Or am I clutching at straws??
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Jul 9, 2016 12:56:47 GMT
We have to consider all options, and any talk of setting up a phoenix club has no impact on the planning application which will be considered on its planning merits alone. The constitutional make up of the club is of far more importance than the planning application per se, after all, if the planning application is denied, we still need to work out how we run the business.
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Post by thesecondjack on Jul 9, 2016 12:56:55 GMT
I think it's right to talk about the idea, to fully commit to it just yet is another matter.
Should it be asked - to continue with Perdiswell, and a 'Phoenix' club? Surely the only commitment to WCFC is the £12,000 they contributed - I believe we could raise that to pay it off.
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Post by creaner on Jul 9, 2016 13:01:18 GMT
What happens next will be decided by you, the trust members. That's how it's always worked. The trust board carry out the wishes of the members and act on your behalf but do not make the big decisions independently, unlike the club board. We will be arranging a trust forum ASAP. Just need to sort date and venue.
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Post by creaner on Jul 9, 2016 13:03:58 GMT
Is talk of forming a phoenix club not premature? Should the focus not be on getting the Perdiswell application heard ASAP? If the planning application is approved then we are not looking at a very different playing field (excuse the pun)? Or am I clutching at straws?? At no point did I mention starting a phoenix club, we're not there yet! Merely that whatever the club is in it will be the fans who pick up the pieces.. |
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Post by citytoon on Jul 9, 2016 13:27:41 GMT
Is talk of forming a phoenix club not premature? Should the focus not be on getting the Perdiswell application heard ASAP? If the planning application is approved then we are not looking at a very different playing field (excuse the pun)? Or am I clutching at straws?? At no point did I mention starting a phoenix club, we're not there yet! Merely that whatever the club is in it will be the fans who pick up the pieces.. I wasn't suggesting you had. My mention of starting a phoenix club was with reference to the link to the Worcester News article that was posted by thatloudbloke. |
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Post by creaner on Jul 9, 2016 13:46:48 GMT
At no point did I mention starting a phoenix club, we're not there yet! Merely that whatever the club is in it will be the fans who pick up the pieces.. I wasn't suggesting you had. My mention of starting a phoenix club was with reference to the link to the Worcester News article that was posted by thatloudbloke. I know, but we need to have contingency plans for all possible outcomes. |
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Post by kentenigmawcfc on Jul 9, 2016 13:50:54 GMT
I am not going to suggest that I was the first but immediately after the meeting I did say to some Trust members that we should consider that now, rather than wait, as a back up plan. I believe the Trust, like it has been doing to date considers and researches all options rather than stick to the all eggs in one basket approach of the Club Board. I favour the phoenix Club plan in the current circumstances but do not rule anything out as these are raw painful early days. The Board may have won the last battle but not the war! If you believe in the Trust, as I do, give them time to examine their options. They will try to deliver what they believe is credible and right and as far as I am concerned, cross every 'T' and dot every 'I', before they present a case, unlike the Board with their glib comments and no facts or figures approach. If you truly want WCFC to survive support the Trust as I and many shareholders now do. If you believe in the Board after all that has happened over the last twenty years that is your prerogative.
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Post by citytoon on Jul 9, 2016 13:56:41 GMT
I wasn't suggesting you had. My mention of starting a phoenix club was with reference to the link to the Worcester News article that was posted by thatloudbloke. I know, but we need to have contingency plans for all possible outcomes. Yes, absolutely. Very wise to have a plan B (oh the irony!)  |
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Post by kentenigmawcfc on Jul 9, 2016 14:08:58 GMT
Yes it is an irony my friend 'citytoon' but at least the Trust do try to look outside the box rather than have a one track record approach like the Board have and who are supposed to be safeguarding shareholder investments. HA! HA! They couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag on current performance even if the bag had a hole in it. I prefer the open transparent approach of the Trust. If it was to fail I know it would not be for the want of trying so can you say that for the Board?
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Post by wr3 on Jul 9, 2016 14:23:11 GMT
I truly believe that if we went to the people of Worcester and offered them the opportunity to own their football club, they would be willing to sign up for a membership. I cannot abide this current board any longer, I want a say in my football club and its direction. A football club should belong to its community and not a privileged, moneyed few. I would be very happy to volunteer my services to making a phoenix club happen.
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Post by citytoon on Jul 9, 2016 14:38:52 GMT
Yes it is an irony my friend 'citytoon' but at least the Trust do try to look outside the box rather than have a one track record approach like the Board have and who are supposed to be safeguarding shareholder investments. HA! HA! They couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag on current performance even if the bag had a hole in it. I prefer the open transparent approach of the Trust. If it was to fail I know it would not be for the want of trying so can you say that for the Board? You are preaching to the converted! I am fully behind the Trust. The point I was trying to make was that now is not the time to set up a phoenix club (to be fair I'm not sure whether or not that was the suggestion or it was just talk of planning for it down the line). Yes I think it is right to consider it as a plan B in readiness for picking up the pieces, but for me the planning application remains key. The question is whether an approved planning application changes anything. Here's a hypothetical scenario for you. If the planning application was granted tomorrow and discussions with the Council then revolved around asset transfer (i.e. permitting WCFC to use the land at Perdiswell for a stadium) what do you think the board's stance would be on CBS? |
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Post by greenman on Jul 9, 2016 14:57:59 GMT
Yes it is an irony my friend 'citytoon' but at least the Trust do try to look outside the box rather than have a one track record approach like the Board have and who are supposed to be safeguarding shareholder investments. HA! HA! They couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag on current performance even if the bag had a hole in it. I prefer the open transparent approach of the Trust. If it was to fail I know it would not be for the want of trying so can you say that for the Board? You are preaching to the converted! I am fully behind the Trust. The point I was trying to make was that now is not the time to set up a phoenix club (to be fair I'm not sure whether or not that was the suggestion or it was just talk of planning for it down the line). Yes I think it is right to consider it as a plan B in readiness for picking up the pieces, but for me the planning application remains key. The question is whether an approved planning application changes anything. Here's a hypothetical scenario for you. If the planning application was granted tomorrow and discussions with the Council then revolved around asset transfer (i.e. permitting WCFC to use the land at Perdiswell for a stadium) what do you think the board's stance would be on CBS? I would suggest that you direct that question to Mr Hampson. Oh sorry I forgot he does not take questions just closes a meeting before you have time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2016 17:06:42 GMT
If there was a chance for the present board to dip their snouts in a money trough they'd do it. They would publicly embrace the principle of CBS while keeping everyone at arm's length - well away from the accounts.
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Post by thesecondjack on Jul 9, 2016 17:32:54 GMT
Carl resigns from the board, and Hampson wants to unify the club & ST. www.worcestercityfc.com/news/director-resignation-1642640.html I hope we do unite, but it means both need to work together, on all issues. We should see directors about, not just mingle in the directors box. I don't want to dislike Hampson & co, but I need to know them to like them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2016 17:44:25 GMT
Remember the old saying "To sup with the devil you need a long spoon." In other words keep these buggers at arms' length.
Hampson can be charming and likeable - that's why Hallmark parachuted him into the role.
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Post by kentenigmawcfc on Jul 9, 2016 18:10:05 GMT
This is a case of 'Restistance is NOT futile'! We must see this through though to achieve our aims now for a modern Club. So get Putin Hampson off his throne and come down to the people not the other way around from now on and above all answer questions not arrogantly brush them away, plus change the constitution to a for the people by the people type affair where no one person or small group of shareholders with a lot of shares can ever be allowed to dictate to the majority of shareholders ever again, so let's not settle for anything less.
Hampson and his predecessors have ruined this Club and cannot be allowed to have any future dictatorial rolls be they on the Board or pulling strings behind the scenes, this is a shareholder club not a private play thing for the whims and enjoyment of a select few as it has been for far too long!
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Post by greenman on Jul 9, 2016 18:18:52 GMT
This is a case of 'Restistance is NOT futile'! We must see this through though to achieve our aims now for a modern Club. So get Putin Hampson off his throne and come down to the people not the other way around from now on and above all answer questions not arrogantly brush them away, plus change the constitution to a for the people by the people type affair where no one person or small group of shareholders with a lot of shares can ever be allowed to dictate to the majority of shareholders ever again, so let's not settle for anything less. Hampson and his predecessors have ruined this Club and cannot be allowed to have any future dictatorial rolls be they on the Board or pulling strings behind the scenes, this is a shareholder club not a private play thing for the whims and enjoyment of a select few as it has been for far too long! And while he is walking away please let his acolytes follow him. |
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Jul 9, 2016 19:02:36 GMT
Carl resigns from the board, and Hampson wants to unify the club & ST. www.worcestercityfc.com/news/director-resignation-1642640.html I hope we do unite, but it means both need to work together, on all issues. We should see directors about, not just mingle in the directors box. I don't want to dislike Hampson & co, but I need to know them to like them. I don't want to like them, I want to respect them and feel confident that they have the interests of the club at heart, and that doesn't mean just shareholders, but also supporters, sponsors, management, players and the wider community. Again, this is very hard to achieve in a business run as a Ltd. company, where the primary function is to look after shareholders interests only. I'm actually going to defend Hampson here (I know!!) but he has no choice and neither do the other Directors in representing the financial interest of shareholders over and above even the future of the company, if he didn't he leaves himself open to legal action from shareholders. That's the way Ltd. companies work. And it's one of the reasons why a sporting club like WCFC, with the complex mix of shareholders, supporters et al, needs to be run under a different form of constitution. I never set foot in the Directors Box, and I never took advantage of the free food and drink available, or even a free parking space. It's funny because when I went to Telford, I did use "Directors privilege" to get in, I also got Millie Gaffey in as a +1! But I was told that "You won't be allowed into the Directors lounge dressed like THAT!" to which I replied "in which case I would not want to go into your Directors lounge!" As Tony Benn said of the faceless unelected EU commissioners "Who are you? Who elected you? and How do we get rid of you? " That's how it should be with football club Directors. |
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Post by thesecondjack on Jul 9, 2016 19:44:23 GMT
I largely agree - I would say the thing that makes me like a chairman is to run the club in a way I like.
I think Directors need to balance the business:fan ratio better - sure you can sit in the directors box and talk to the directors of the opposition, that's fine if you want to do that, and I imagine it has its plus sides for the club - but you need to interact with the fans too, be that on the terraces during a match, selling programmes/ half time draw tickets (a great time to talk to fans from my experience), or hold REGULAR fan forums.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Jul 9, 2016 19:54:16 GMT
EXACTLY!!!
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Post by Bonzo Bitburg on Jul 10, 2016 20:19:46 GMT
"I'm actually going to defend Hampson here (I know!!) but he has no choice and neither do the other Directors in representing the financial interest of shareholders over and above even the future of the company"
How can running the club into the floor represent the financial interest of the shareholders?
Surely ever minute the club is in operation they are doing the exact opposite. In which case as a shareholder couldn't you sue them?
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Jul 10, 2016 20:35:22 GMT
Unfortunately not, he points to a plan to reduce expenditure and look to increase income, which might be nothing more than motherhood and apple pie, but it is still responsible business. I've been there myself, where in order to reduce expenditure we had to implement a whole load of redundancies, but if that doesn't work, and it didn't, we had to wind the business up, as that was the only way left to protect shareholders interests. Hampson does have plenty of previous in doing this at his other companies, mainly engineering companies. The trouble is, this isn't an engineering company, its a football club, its a very different beast. And whether we like it or not (and we don't) the shareholders voted in favour of Hampsons policy last Thursday by rejecting change.
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Post by Bonzo Bitburg on Jul 10, 2016 20:48:56 GMT
Slow death it is then and start preparing for a new club or taking over an old club with nothing left.
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