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Post by ironleg on May 18, 2016 17:08:14 GMT
No surprises with two such opposing views on this. I'm pretty sure that this is a face saving exercise. Did you think a green councillor who is dependent on anti-stadium votes for his seat could be seen to just roll over. Now if there are no real alternatives found he can withdraw his opposition- with a bit of honour intact. He emailed me earlier in the year and said it wasn't his job to come up with alternatives- well now it is. Let's see what happens. The council is now being led by the best party for us which is better than any alternative.
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Post by dcx on May 18, 2016 17:40:40 GMT
The whole thing is a farce. A corrupt, political farce.
The Perdiswell decision is irrelevant; the amount of stalling, delays and lack of urgency on both sides will see the club go under long before any stadium plans are approved.
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Post by Mark on May 18, 2016 18:15:27 GMT
I have two questions, one regarding the stalling on holding an EGM the other about alternative sites if we are forced down that route.
1) Are the board breaking the law by not responding to the request of shareholders to call an EGM? If they are then should the authorities be informed so action can be taken?
2) On the subject of alternative sites, was Brickfiields Park ever considered?
If anyone knows the answer to these I would be interested to know.
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Post by greenman on May 18, 2016 18:26:30 GMT
I have two questions, one regarding the stalling on holding an EGM the other about alternative sites if we are forced down that route. 1) Are the board breaking the law by not responding to the request of shareholders to call an EGM? If they are then should the authorities be informed so action can be taken? 2) On the subject of alternative sites, was Brickfiields Park ever considered? If anyone knows the answer to these I would be interested to know. The Board have 21 days to respond to the request for an EGM, that expires this Saturday. I understand that a letter is on its way to the signatories declining the request, and as I stated in a previous thread, no doubt legal advice was taken to enforce this, yet more money wasted on what will prove to be a fruitless excercise as the will of shareholders will overcome this crass obstinacy. |
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Post by Mark on May 18, 2016 18:38:27 GMT
I have two questions, one regarding the stalling on holding an EGM the other about alternative sites if we are forced down that route. 1) Are the board breaking the law by not responding to the request of shareholders to call an EGM? If they are then should the authorities be informed so action can be taken? 2) On the subject of alternative sites, was Brickfiields Park ever considered? If anyone knows the answer to these I would be interested to know. The Board have 21 days to respond to the request for an EGM, that expires this Saturday. I understand that a letter is on its way to the signatories declining the request, and as I stated in a previous thread, no doubt legal advice was taken to enforce this, yet more money wasted on what will prove to be a fruitless excercise as the will of shareholders will overcome this crass obstinacy. I simply don't understand why the Board don't want to try and do anything to save the Club. Aren't they supposed to act in the Club's interests? |
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Post by greenman on May 18, 2016 19:42:34 GMT
The Board have 21 days to respond to the request for an EGM, that expires this Saturday. I understand that a letter is on its way to the signatories declining the request, and as I stated in a previous thread, no doubt legal advice was taken to enforce this, yet more money wasted on what will prove to be a fruitless excercise as the will of shareholders will overcome this crass obstinacy. I simply don't understand why the Board don't want to try and do anything to save the Club. Aren't they supposed to act in the Club's interests? Yes you would think so, unfortunately as there has never been a Plan B put forward by the present incumbents, I would however exclude the newly elected Directors from this statement, it beggars belief that they would appear to be non supportive of the Trusts proposals by not encouraging an EGM. |
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Post by Mark on May 18, 2016 19:46:27 GMT
I simply don't understand why the Board don't want to try and do anything to save the Club. Aren't they supposed to act in the Club's interests? Yes you would think so, unfortunately as there has never been a Plan B put forward by the present incumbents, I would however exclude the newly elected Directors from this statement, it beggars belief that they would appear to be non supportive of the Trusts proposals by not encouraging an EGM. Yes of course I don't mean to include the newly elected Directors |
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Post by creaner on May 18, 2016 19:49:15 GMT
Please, everyone. Don't panic. What difference does the change in leadership actually make? Have a read here |
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Post by Croc on May 18, 2016 20:48:49 GMT
Unfortunately the rather sensationalist and small-time reporting from the WN "Political Reporter" with its screaming headline of "EVERYTHING IN TATTERS!!!!!!" hasn't helped one jot...
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Post by thatloudbloke on May 18, 2016 20:51:14 GMT
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Post by jimbo on May 18, 2016 22:28:53 GMT
Please, everyone. Don't panic. What difference does the change in leadership actually make? Have a read hereSo what is the point you're making Rob ? What difference in the leadership of the council or the WCFC board !! I am getting a little concerned that we now have trust members on the club board. but we are getting little or no news from them & it appears that the issue of the AGM is not being addressed by them...... Yet we are promised transparency !! |
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Post by creaner on May 18, 2016 22:58:09 GMT
Please, everyone. Don't panic. What difference does the change in leadership actually make? Have a read hereSo what is the point you're making Rob ? What difference in the leadership of the council or the WCFC board !! I am getting a little concerned that we now have trust members on the club board. but we are getting little or no news from them & it appears that the issue of the AGM is not being addressed by them...... Yet we are promised transparency !! I was replying to the speculation that the change in leadership at the city council would be detrimental to our chances of having a fair hearing of our preferred option of Perdiswell, it does not. That is what the subject of this thread refers to. |
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Post by alwaysnextyear on May 19, 2016 0:33:59 GMT
Thatloudbloke says " think before you sate stupid comments ". I'll guess that you really meant state ?
Who do you think you are talking to ?
It is painfully obvious to all, including even you I suspect, that if there are no suitable sites available ( and acceptable to all ) in Worcester, and that includes Perdiswell for whatever reasons, then the Club will have no alternative other than to look outside the City boundaries to play. Please inform us stupid people what other options you suggest.
Examples of this ? The Sixways site is home to Worcester Warriors, yet is in Wychavon District Council. Worcester Cricket Club play at Norton Barracks, that too is in Wychavon. Worcester Nomads play cricket at Bransford in Malvern Hills District Council. Presumably they were stupid to look outside the city boundaries as well ?
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Post by Mark on May 19, 2016 7:18:00 GMT
Thatloudbloke says " think before you sate stupid comments ". I'll guess that you really meant state ? Who do you think you are talking to ? It is painfully obvious to all, including even you I suspect, that if there are no suitable sites available ( and acceptable to all ) in Worcester, and that includes Perdiswell for whatever reasons, then the Club will have no alternative other than to look outside the City boundaries to play. Please inform us stupid people what other options you suggest. Examples of this ? The Sixways site is home to Worcester Warriors, yet is in Wychavon District Council. Worcester Cricket Club play at Norton Barracks, that too is in Wychavon. Worcester Nomads play cricket at Bransford in Malvern Hills District Council. Presumably they were stupid to look outside the city boundaries as well ? Glad to see I am not the only one offended by that comment. I thought this was a discussion board where we could air our views and discuss matters that affect the club we all support. We cannot be blamed if someone decides to quote comments made here and use them to produce another sensational story for the local paper. |
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Post by The Verner on May 19, 2016 8:40:07 GMT
They were not stupid comments, this is down to lazy journalism making a story out of comments made on an unofficial club message board !
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Post by kentenigmawcfc on May 19, 2016 9:10:36 GMT
I tend to agree with 'Mark' and 'alwaysnextyears' last posts.
This site is open to free thinking comments and is transparent so the whole world can see what people are thinking, be those comments positive, negative or indifferent. The Press will always be looking for a view they can publish and you cannot be surprised if the Worcester News choose an issue like this to fill it's pages. At least it is drawing attention to the issue to the wider public who don't read the comments on this forum.
We are all concerned about the comments made about Perdiswell after the Labour/Green Council pact but remember what Rob Crean said above, whether there has been a change in Council or not the Perdiswell plans have to have a fair hearing so for the time being the plan and proposals are not dead and buried in the water.
As for looking at other sites I am sure the Trust has and is still, looking at other options including in neighbouring authorities and they would be foolish not to, so let's not get in a panic. Perdiswell appears to be the only realistic site within the Worcester City Council area and would be in my opinion a good community partner with local residents given half a chance. What I don't really understand about the local objections is the traffic issue, if they and the council were that concerned why are the council building more houses to the north of Green Lane which will add to traffic congestion on a daily basis rather than the football clubs few home fixtures and who is to say that further house construction will not take place in other parts of Claines too given Government pressure to build new homes put on Worcester Council.
So lets just wait and see how the Perdiswell application gets on first but by all means keep looking for alternatives as we cannot be complacent or have all our eggs in one basket either.
Keep the faith.
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Post by Croc on May 19, 2016 9:23:48 GMT
They were not stupid comments, this is down to lazy journalism making a story out of comments made on an unofficial club message board ! To be honest - the majority of the quotes from "fans" came from the WN Comments section on the original article (where the majority aren't fans but general public) and the Facebook page for the same story on their WN Page. |
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Post by kentenigmawcfc on May 19, 2016 9:34:43 GMT
Further to my last comment and just to remind everyone. We still have another hurdle to climb in the form of the Club Board agreeing to an EGM requested by some shareholders myself included, to discuss and vote on the viability of the Trust proposals to make the Club 'Community Share' owned by changing the constitution and in turn following the Trust Stadium proposals/plan. It is also an opportunity for the Board to air any alternative plan they are working on or exploring, so shareholders can make an informed decision but a decision of some kind is what we need.
Either way the Club has to make changes and NOW if the Club is to survive and have viable future, so the EGM must be agreed to without any further technical stalling tactics by the Board for reasons, at this stage, best known to them but not helpful at this critical time.
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Post by greenman on May 19, 2016 10:38:34 GMT
My God, I have this morning received a letter from a firm of Birmingham solicitors explaining the reason for the declinature of a request for an EGM. I was unaware that the Club had such vast resources to employ legal representatives to inform me of such drivel.
Had the Chairman any concern for the future of WCFC a simple telephone call to the signatories of the proposed EGM would have sorted the matter, this just beggars belief.
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Post by greenman on May 19, 2016 10:45:08 GMT
And to add, a further request for an EGM will now be now be submitted for consideration and I would urge the Board before wasting more money on Solicitors letters they consider carefully their response.
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Post by thesecondjack on May 19, 2016 11:05:55 GMT
I'd agree, the comments aren't stupid, some perhaps ill informed, but not stupid.
Emotions are running high, we all need to stick together.
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Post by Mark on May 19, 2016 12:25:11 GMT
My God, I have this morning received a letter from a firm of Birmingham solicitors explaining the reason for the declinature of a request for an EGM. I was unaware that the Club had such vast resources to employ legal representatives to inform me of such drivel. Had the Chairman any concern for the future of WCFC a simple telephone call to the signatories of the proposed EGM would have sorted the matter, this just beggars belief. I have no confidence in our Chairman any longer |
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Post by kentenigmawcfc on May 19, 2016 12:31:01 GMT
I too received one of these unnecessarily costly solicitors letters!
I would just like to say I fully concur with both 'greenman' and 'thesecondjacks' last postings. The Board pay heed to wasting Club money again like that and the rank and file concerned shareholders, Trust members and general supporters stick together. The moment we start splintering and having verbal spats with one another the quicker those who want to see the clubs demise will win.
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Post by kentenigmawcfc on May 19, 2016 12:47:24 GMT
Hi Mark,
You are not the only one. I have heard second hand, so cannot verify this living where I do but the source is someone I trust.
I was advised that our Chairman, whether under advisement of other Board members, his own views or both, has been holding up the Trust plans/proposals and hence why nothing has happened since Rob Crean presented the possible solution to the Clubs problems while we were still at SGL. Hopefully when this EGM is agreed to we can get to the bottom of this by getting an explanation from Anthony and or the Board members who are against or are sitting on the fence over the plan and thereby find out what they have been doing to find an alternative solutions to that the Trust have presented.
If they have no alternative solution I fail to understand their reluctance to proceed with the only viable plan that the Trust have put forward. Also as a result of the said EGM we find that is the case, maybe a further EGM should be called to invite the said Board members to step down and be replaced as there is no longer time for inertia on their part.
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Post by althom on May 19, 2016 13:07:28 GMT
I would suggest that the reluctance of the Board to call an EGM is based on the fact that there is cash assets of approx £500,000 in WCFC LTD at the moment! If the Limited Company closed down tomorrow, that cash would be distributed between the existing shareholders. Maybe that is what the old Board of Directors ( not the latest incumbents) wish to achieve!!
An EGM should force them to reveal their strategy!
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Post by greenman on May 19, 2016 13:15:57 GMT
I'd agree, the comments aren't stupid, some perhaps ill informed, but not stupid. Emotions are running high, we all need to stick together. Stick together?  Perhaps someone should remind the Chairman before he spends Club monies needlessly on Solicitors letters that we are all in this together when a simple telephone call would have saved time and money. I had agreed at the AGM to serve on a fund raising committee, this was followed by offers from others to help out. I have heard nothing since so it would appear no help is required to raise the urgent funds that the Club needs. If however we have money to waste I withdraw my offer of help. |
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Post by thatloudbloke on May 19, 2016 13:18:17 GMT
I will apologize for the wording i have used eg stupid, it was bad grammatically, what was meant was that any comments put on her or any other social media will be grabbed by reporters & send out a message that is not what we or the club really need, i may come over wrong but i wear my heart on my sleeve, again apologies for my wording.
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Post by thesecondjack on May 19, 2016 13:22:21 GMT
I'd agree, the comments aren't stupid, some perhaps ill informed, but not stupid. Emotions are running high, we all need to stick together. Stick together? Perhaps someone should remind the Chairman before he spends Club monies needlessly on Solicitors letters that we are all in this together when a simple telephone call would have saved time and money. I had agreed at the AGM to serve on a fund raising committee, this was followed by offers from others to help out. I have heard nothing since so it would appear no help is required to raise the urgent funds that the Club needs. If however we have money to waste I withdraw my offer of help. We supporters should stick together and work to help out our club. The board have been about as much use as a chocolate fire guard, I think we're all settled on that - but us all moaning ''he said this, she said that'' isn't helping. We 'the fans' should be united, helping work towards Perdiswell, and the future of WCFC. |
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Post by kentenigmawcfc on May 19, 2016 13:22:24 GMT
Indeed you could very well be right there 'Althom' and hopefully the EGM might reveal that.
Whatever the Boards motives or strategy we simply need to know it and now. Leaving things in the limbo land state the Club is in is not good for anybody, be it Carl, the players and support staff, the other shareholders who are in the dark, The Trust and in particular Rob and Dave and helpers and their efforts, expense and travels to find a viable solution after the Nunnery Wat fiasco, let alone the planning application expense. Then the supporters and match day volunteers being led a merry dance thinking the Club has a future while in reality the opposite might be true.
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Post by althom on May 19, 2016 14:46:10 GMT
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Perhaps someone should remind the Chairman before he spends Club monies needlessly on Solicitors letters that we are all in this together when a simple telephone call would have saved time and money.