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Post by adycrean on Nov 12, 2015 9:08:47 GMT
This was on Tuesday evening (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02nrsln/episodes/downloads). Interesting discussions on non-league players who have made big leaps into professional football, and whether there is much talent at non-league level today to be tapped into.
Made me reflect on players who have left City recently to move upwards….
• Williams - looked to be a tremendous prospect last year, but hasn’t broken into Barnsley’s first team squad after a good start – still on loan at Barrow?
• Hutchison – likewise, looked a class above. Had a good start at Halifax (..which I had thought wasn’t a high enough move for him), but then a bad start to this season in a struggling side. Now on loan at Telford, who are looking to extend further.
• Nelson-Addy – via Brackley, now at Hartlepool. On fringes of first team squad, not sure he has made a full appearance this season
Perhaps the grass isn’t always greener. I would say that Deeney, Nti, maybe Geddes – all have the potential to play higher. But as a player surely you have to make sure it is the right opportunity, not just a step up for its own sake. Playing at our level, in a good footballing side, with the odd cup run to add some glamour – isn’t such a bad place to be.
In more ancient history, I still remember a newspaper article from the (then) Everton manager Gordon Lee after signing John Barton in 1978 – declaring him the best signing he made! (…£27,500 – is that still our record transfer fee, 37 years ago?!)
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Post by thesecondjack on Nov 12, 2015 14:20:49 GMT
I've certainly never seen the figures for George and Grahams transfers, other than being 10k+, so Barton is probably still our record transfer, would have thought they'd have made a song and dance about it otherwise.
On recent history, we surely look like a good stepping stone for players with good prospects.
Although there are always exceptions to the rule, most players who shoot up the leagues are 18-22 in age, presumably because then they still have a few years to develop at a full time club. Deeney is 24, Nti is 24 (I think), and Geddes is 23, so maybe their chances are not there so much?
I think the player with the best chances of moving up the leagues at the club currently is probably Dean Waldron, but he certainly needs more game time.
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Post by stamoo on Nov 12, 2015 15:21:14 GMT
I've certainly never seen the figures for George and Grahams transfers, other than being 10k+, so Barton is probably still our record transfer, would have thought they'd have made a song and dance about it otherwise. On recent history, we surely look like a good stepping stone for players with good prospects. Although there are always exceptions to the rule, most players who shoot up the leagues are 18-22 in age, presumably because then they still have a few years to develop at a full time club. Deeney is 24, Nti is 24 (I think), and Geddes is 23, so maybe their chances are not there so much? I think the player with the best chances of moving up the leagues at the club currently is probably Dean Waldron, but he certainly needs more game time. Hmmm, you are right that there are always exceptions Jamie Vardy was 25 before he moved to his first league club (Leicester City from Fleetwood). There's a hell of a lot of luck involved and making the leap from part-time to full time is always going to be a very risk leap of faith. I am amazed that George Williams and Hutch have not made real progress but I don't think it's to do with these players or their ability it's more to do with the clubs they are with and what's going on around them. George for example was signed by Danny Wilson and after his move was regularly on the bench for Barnsley, very much part of the squad , then Danny Wilson is sacked last February and it looks like the new manager doesn't rate him. I am sure we would have him back tomorrow, but I guess we couldn't afford him now! |
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Post by thesecondjack on Nov 12, 2015 16:29:29 GMT
Fully agree. It's another argument against chopping and changing managers every other season as most Full time teams do! Allow a manager to buy his own players, train them, develop them and play them. I just counted it up, and of the 92 teams prem-league 2, 49 managers have been in their job less than a year, 70 for less than 2 years. (I have included those in temporary charge and vacant positions in that).
If we were on the list, I think Carl would be third longest serving as manager at one club... Not bad.
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Post by jonnyred on Nov 12, 2015 17:24:08 GMT
I've certainly never seen the figures for George and Grahams transfers, other than being 10k+, so Barton is probably still our record transfer, would have thought they'd have made a song and dance about it otherwise. On recent history, we surely look like a good stepping stone for players with good prospects. Although there are always exceptions to the rule, most players who shoot up the leagues are 18-22 in age, presumably because then they still have a few years to develop at a full time club. Deeney is 24, Nti is 24 (I think), and Geddes is 23, so maybe their chances are not there so much? I think the player with the best chances of moving up the leagues at the club currently is probably Dean Waldron, but he certainly needs more game time. we've got George Nash still hidden away somewhere, he was being looked at by Bristol City scouts during pre-season!! |
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Post by thesecondjack on Nov 12, 2015 17:45:57 GMT
I thought about Nash, at the start of the season he was looking like our best player, but then none of the others were really clicking. I'm not convinced Carl and Matt like him though, seeing as they quickly allowed him to be dual registered... so I suspect he won't play for us again unless we have an injury crisis.
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Post by jonnyred on Nov 12, 2015 22:33:04 GMT
I hope not.. He was playing in a very unsettled side that was being chopped and changed from week to week and was played out of position in defence a couple of times as well as i recall...stick him in the middle of the midfield now things have settled and he's got Hughes and Burton to feed off and i reckon he'd be fab!
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Post by thesecondjack on Nov 12, 2015 23:47:04 GMT
The problem is it's a position where we have plenty of talent. Deeney, Geddes and Jacko would start ahead of Nash in my view, and then there's Gater and Waldron who get the odd game. Should a couple get injured, Tyler can be argued as midfield cover, having played in the position during his time at Hereford, and I'm sure I've heard the radio commentary for a couple of away matches saying that Jamie Smith has come off the bench to play in a midfield role. There's only 3 central roles up for grabs in the squad, too many players to fill them (then fit).
I'd love to see Nash back, and I do think he's a good prospect for the future, I just cannot see it happening.
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Post by jupu on Nov 13, 2015 0:43:56 GMT
I've certainly never seen the figures for George and Grahams transfers, other than being 10k+, so Barton is probably still our record transfer, would have thought they'd have made a song and dance about it otherwise. On recent history, we surely look like a good stepping stone for players with good prospects. Although there are always exceptions to the rule, most players who shoot up the leagues are 18-22 in age, presumably because then they still have a few years to develop at a full time club. Deeney is 24, Nti is 24 (I think), and Geddes is 23, so maybe their chances are not there so much? I think the player with the best chances of moving up the leagues at the club currently is probably Dean Waldron, but he certainly needs more game time. Due to the ridiculous policy of not disclosing transfer fees it is difficult to say for sure, but I think Sam Wedgbury is our most expensive player sold, although Des Lyttle probably exceeds both if follow on fees are included. |
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Post by thesecondjack on Nov 13, 2015 8:35:33 GMT
Do you know if Des had any sell on clauses on his transfer? Even if so, he will struggle to break Johns real time transfer fee, which once adjusted for inflation, is just shy of £300,000! Await comments of ''back in my day you could buy a pint, a portion of chips and the bus fair home and still have change from £2''  You might well be right about Sam Wedgbury being our record transfer received when inflation isn't included... though I cannot find online how much his transfer was - was undisclosed 5 figure at the time. My Football Manager 2015 game seems to think it was £12,500... but I have no idea where they get that from! |
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Post by Dodger on Nov 13, 2015 13:16:58 GMT
Await comments of ''back in my day you could buy a pint, a portion of chips and the bus fair home and still have change from £2'' Surely you mean a ten bob note?  Dodger. |
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Post by thatloudbloke on Nov 13, 2015 15:45:11 GMT
Await comments of ''back in my day you could buy a pint, a portion of chips and the bus fair home and still have change from £2'' Surely you mean a ten bob note? Dodger. i think it might be an age thing here... some of us are older than others, as when i was younger it was around 4 shilling... |
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