Isn't this exactly what WE said?

[JohnInglisIsGod]

www.worcesternews.co.uk/sport/8638089.Time_for_a_Lane_reality_check/

Am I missing something ?
Have we called for chnages? Do we want the head of carl on a pole.
I think not
We are realistic, we know we are not going to win the league. we agree on here that we are in a season of change and altho' expectations were big initially, realsitically I think we knew we were not going to win anything or trouble the play offs.
"but major criticism at this stage seems a little unjust" -
What major criticism??? That is unjust!
Think this article is a bit OTT don't you?

[Deleted]

Another example of the pathetic editorial output from the WN - there's no news at the moment at SGL, so they create something, which is quite frankly untrue. But the whole point of it is to attempt to manipulate supporters into feeling frustratede and getting some rumblings of discontent going. It'll work too, the media, even the lowly WN has that kind of sway, and if some people at SGL are feeling this way, then its ok for others to do so! Then they'll hopefully create a real story with real unrest!
I doubt that there is anyone at SGL who seriously believes that WCFC could get promotion, or even trouble the play offs this season, and why on earth should we? But no-one would be dis-satisfied with 15th or 16th place this season, and that stretches all the way from the supporters down to the Chairman!
We've already had the positive news about Nunnery Way (which has cut off a number of WN stories) We've got a positive business structure in place (that hardly makes headlines "Football club not going out of business!!") We've got realistic expectations all round. That makes for a decent season.
If I wasnt banned from the WN I'd be attacking this piece of lazy editorial output again, but I hope others will take the WN to task with this one. This is just troublemaking, its poking a sleeping dog with a stick, its pathetic! Come on WN, you screwed up big time over the ground move, so give the club a break!!

[JohnInglisIsGod]

Nov 16, 2010 11:49:11 GMT Down The Pan said:

Another example of the pathetic editorial output from the WN - there's no news at the moment at SGL, so they create something, which is quite frankly untrue. But the whole point of it is to attempt to manipulate supporters into feeling frustratede and getting some rumblings of discontent going. It'll work too, the media, even the lowly WN has that kind of sway, and if some people at SGL are feeling this way, then its ok for others to do so! Then they'll hopefully create a real story with real unrest!
I doubt that there is anyone at SGL who seriously believes that WCFC could get promotion, or even trouble the play offs this season, and why on earth should we? But no-one would be dis-satisfied with 15th or 16th place this season, and that stretches all the way from the supporters down to the Chairman!
We've already had the positive news about Nunnery Way (which has cut off a number of WN stories) We've got a positive business structure in place (that hardly makes headlines "Football club not going out of business!!") We've got realistic expectations all round. That makes for a decent season.
If I wasnt banned from the WN I'd be attacking this piece of lazy editorial output again, but I hope others will take the WN to task with this one. This is just troublemaking, its poking a sleeping dog with a stick, its pathetic! Come on WN, you screwed up big time over the ground move, so give the club a break!!

I am there already JCP
I was disgusted to read it and gave my thoughts (wish it had been from a PC not a mobile fone as the spelling mistakes ruin the impact) but hope, like you, others will make thier feelings known to this stirring tactic for which their is no evidence either referred to or shown.

[pendulum]

I read this article earlier and thought what the f**k has this came from??? steve carly has obvoiusley made all this up, at the start of the season we all said midtable or top ten would be great! if hes implying when he says "changes" about king carl what a load of bull crap. im more than happy with the sqaud its just low on confidence. i would like steve to back up what he has said , like jcp said pure lazyness!

[niels]

I know where it comes from, it comes from our supporters.

When giving out posters at the end of the Redditch game I heard, or was told by, many of our fans saying "I've had enough, I'm not paying to watch this s**t anymore" or words to that affect.

I found it a bit peculiar as it was only the second home game of the season where we really failed to perform. But that's City fans for you, memory of a goldfish, considering what we had to watch in the previous two seasons.

Mind you a Solihull Moors supporter told me on Saturday that this was the poorest City team that he could remember, but of course he didn't see us in the two previous seasons.

[Deleted]

But they will keep on watching this s***, mainly because it suits them for it to be s***, then they can rattle on about how s*** it is, even if its not!!
But thats not the point, the WN is stirring up bad blood with this article, when there is none to stir up. Why not an article about how, despite the results, the supporters are still behind the players , management and the board. Its quite unusual in the history of WCFC for this situation to be in place, its a good news story!! Add that to the work being done by Rob Crean and the Supporters Trust, the engagement with the board, working together, and the involvement with Supporters Direct, and there's a lot of good news to cover. Are the WN really trying to put WCFC back into the doldrums? Is it really too much to expect our local newspaper to campaign on behalf of local people, and our local football club? Well Mr Ward??

[JohnInglisIsGod]

campaign for local people - Like Cher lloyd you mean? lol

I agree with every word you say above JCP, every word!

[Deleted]

Nov 16, 2010 15:09:36 GMT JohnInglisIsGod said:

campaign for local people - Like Cher lloyd you mean? lol

I agree with every word you say above JCP, every word!

If only they campaigned for worthy local people. A girl on a talent show is not worthy of such a campaign, any more so than if they'd launched some kind of campaign to get Michael Foster back into work!!
I still have no idea if Simon Williams managed his cycling and mountain climbing feat, I really hope he did, it was a mostrous challenge, and i hope he raised a hell of a lot of money too - but the Worcester News have no interest.
Compare the coverage that the Dudley News (in the same stable as the Worcester News) gives to "their" man Wagner

www.dudleynews.co.uk/news/

Its there, but its subtle, its just a bit of local news!

[JohnInglisIsGod]

They do have a trashy I'm Voting Wagner posting to download too

But the point is, the crowd in general are not asking for Carl to be replaced. You may have one or two crowing about a bad performance after a game but even they are not saying get Carl out.

The way that is reported sounds like the team are coming out to howls and boos and Man U style banners Carl out (Compared to Yanks out).

It is not suggesting get behind the team, they are playing the right sort of football just the results are not coming yet. The article is built around a lot of hear say (and negative stats) and unjustified comments, from the 'some clubs have budgets Worcester can only dream of' to 'I don’t doubt that Heeley is disappointed his team is not better placed at present, but major criticism at this stage seems a little unjust.'
I am sure some clubs do have bigger budgets but lets back the board for giving him a 'realistic achievable' budget and not a 'let's go bankrupt trying to achieve the dream' budget.
It is articles like that which will keep the crowds away which are desperately needed so that he can report of 'dwindling crowds and unrest in the ranks and supporters' when for once we have a team that seems to enjoy playing together and in general a crowd that enjoys the football we are playing. Every team goes through a bad spell but I back CH to get us through it and a board that will back him too.

[The Verner]

What can I say...its Steve Carley!!!

[Deleted]

Its not Steve Carley, he's just a journo, its his bosses who are responsible for what is spewed out into the paper.

[Deleted]

Nov 16, 2010 16:14:09 GMT JohnInglisIsGod said:

They do have a trashy I'm Voting Wagner posting to download too

But the point is, the crowd in general are not asking for Carl to be replaced. You may have one or two crowing about a bad performance after a game but even they are not saying get Carl out.

The way that is reported sounds like the team are coming out to howls and boos and Man U style banners Carl out (Compared to Yanks out).

It is not suggesting get behind the team, they are playing the right sort of football just the results are not coming yet. The article is built around a lot of hear say (and negative stats) and unjustified comments, from the 'some clubs have budgets Worcester can only dream of' to 'I don’t doubt that Heeley is disappointed his team is not better placed at present, but major criticism at this stage seems a little unjust.'
I am sure some clubs do have bigger budgets but lets back the board for giving him a 'realistic achievable' budget and not a 'let's go bankrupt trying to achieve the dream' budget.
It is articles like that which will keep the crowds away which are desperately needed so that he can report of 'dwindling crowds and unrest in the ranks and supporters' when for once we have a team that seems to enjoy playing together and in general a crowd that enjoys the football we are playing. Every team goes through a bad spell but I back CH to get us through it and a board that will back him too.

Yes they have a trashy I'm voting Wagner poster, which i have of course downloaded!
The latest instalment on our girl covers a guy who runs the newsagents that she used to go into sometime, and how he used to call her "missy" , but then again he calls everyone "missy".
Did you know that my second cousin once trained the winner of the Cesarawitch?? No I don't care either!

[The Verner]

He writes it to start though mate!!! Never trusted them

[niels]

I've just read it again and I really cannot see what this thread is about.

Steve Carley says in his article that people have started moaning, which they have, and then he spends the rest of the piece telling them, rightly, to take a reality check. Simples.

As for Phil in Londis, which is about 30 metres from my house, he is a very friendly chap but has never called me "Missy".


PS. At the start of this thread Nic says

"We are realistic, we know we are not going to win the league. we agree on here that we are in a season of change and altho' expectations were big initially, realisitically I think we knew we were not going to win anything or trouble the play offs."

Fair enough but I think the important phrase is "we agree on here". We have to accept that only a handful of City supporters contribute to this forum, whereas 700 others don't and they may have different opinions and they may articulate them in different ways. For all we know 600 of our regular fans may expect promotion this season. It is dangerous to believe that the opinions on this message board are also the opinions of the masses.

[Deleted]

Exactly, the key phrase there is "I've just read it again" And most wont give it a second reading.
Its a cleverly spun little article, with an ambiguous headline - you read the headline and you can take it two ways, reality check could mean time to face the reality that Carl isnt up to it, or it could mean what it does actually mean, that supporters should accept the reality of the season, and thats where it falls apart, because we do! As CityBlueBoy says, they'd moan at the colour of the grass!!

[Deleted]

Nov 16, 2010 17:36:48 GMT niels said:

I've just read it again and I really cannot see what this thread is about.

Steve Carley says in his article that people have started moaning, which they have, and then he spends the rest of the piece telling them, rightly, to take a reality check. Simples.

As for Phil in Londis, which is about 30 metres from my house, he is a very friendly chap but has never called me "Missy".


PS. At the start of this thread Nic says

"We are realistic, we know we are not going to win the league. we agree on here that we are in a season of change and altho' expectations were big initially, realisitically I think we knew we were not going to win anything or trouble the play offs."

Fair enough but I think the important phrase is "we agree on here". We have to accept that only a handful of City supporters contribute to this forum, whereas 700 others don't and they may have different opinions and they may articulate them in different ways. For all we know 600 of our regular fans may expect promotion this season. It is dangerous to believe that the opinions on this message board are also the opinions of the masses.

The other 600 don't have opinions niels, thats far to complicated for them, you know that!

[creaner]

Nov 16, 2010 17:36:48 GMT niels said:

I've just read it again and I really cannot see what this thread is about.

Steve Carley says in his article that people have started moaning, which they have, and then he spends the rest of the piece telling them, rightly, to take a reality check. Simples.

As for Phil in Londis, which is about 30 metres from my house, he is a very friendly chap but has never called me "Missy".


PS. At the start of this thread Nic says

"We are realistic, we know we are not going to win the league. we agree on here that we are in a season of change and altho' expectations were big initially, realisitically I think we knew we were not going to win anything or trouble the play offs."

Fair enough but I think the important phrase is "we agree on here". We have to accept that only a handful of City supporters contribute to this forum, whereas 700 others don't and they may have different opinions and they may articulate them in different ways. For all we know 600 of our regular fans may expect promotion this season. It is dangerous to believe that the opinions on this message board are also the opinions of the masses.

I'd agree with that summary; first 3/4 paragraphs mention the usual moaning that some City fans enjoy to dish out. Followed by a list of the way things really are and highlighting the work CH is doing. A fair article in my view and well done to Steve Carley for accentuating the positives. WN are OK with publishing stuff we send and he often asks me for more good news stories! I'll send him some updates to fill his column inches. A fans forum has been mooted for a while but the lack of home games hasn't helped. Will need to get that sorted ASAP.

[niels]

Nov 16, 2010 18:31:44 GMT Down The Pan said:

Exactly, the key phrase there is "I've just read it again"

No not exactly, I felt like that after the first time I read it but decided to give it another look after reading your comments just to be sure.

[Deleted]

But you had to read it again, you werent sure. Why start with negative paragraphs? Add them at the end if you like, you know, there will always be the doubters etc. Imagine how your everyday Joe reading this would view it? Most will read the first few paragraphs, get the plot, and don't need to read on. So if you stopped there, how does it read?
And of course, we're in the know, if those other 600 read it, this fuels their imagination no end!

[niels]

I only read it again because I couldn't see what you were going on about, just as I read your posts to make sure I knew what you were going on about. Neither second reading brought anything new to light.

You're just sore that Kev won't let you rant about Cher anymore, while you are loitering in service stations.

[Deleted]

not in the slightest, I'm more concerned about what the general public, and the occasional supporters think about whats going on at the club. JIIG and pendulum both thought the same, and before me too!
I don't rant about Cher, I rant about the Worcester News and its rather strange kowtowing to Simon Cowells media bandwagon, and the even more bizarre belief that one should vote for someone in a talent show based on their birthplace rather than their ability.

[pendulum]

Points by steve " Some feel that City’ s campaign will be over
by the end of the month if results don ’ t
improve." who on earth would think that in november? "This is Worcester City, not Manchester City." Did we say we were and who would think we are? " term.
The team is a work - in -progress and,
without sounding too harsh, Worcester
were never really going to be competing
for honours post -Christmas ." nobody thought we would and if anybody did ? are they supporters who know about the small budget etc? " Admittedly they are out of the FA Cup , but
is losing to Blue Square Bet North rivals
Corby in the last minute such a disgrace? " nobody i know at the club and people i go to city thought it was a disgrace? " Even if results don ’ t go their way this week
— they could have hoped for a kinder
Trophy draw than Nuneaton away — fans
should be wary of calling for change." so apperantly a number of fans are contemplating geting rid of king carl a city legend who we love and has done great! because sureley he would not of posted that with just 1 or 2 saying we want him gone? " I don ’ t doubt that Heeley is disappointed
his team is not better placed at present ,
but major criticism at this stage seems a
little unjust." steve uses MAJOR CRITICISM no MAJOR criticism on here or around sgl unless im missing somthing??? ,

[pendulum]

If steve can back up his claims?

[pendulum]

If steve can back up his claims?

[The Verner]

Hey whos picking on my cher from the vern???

[JohnInglisIsGod]

Nov 16, 2010 22:42:49 GMT @pendulum said:

Points by steve " Some feel that City’ s campaign will be over
by the end of the month if results don ’ t
improve." who on earth would think that in november? "This is Worcester City, not Manchester City." Did we say we were and who would think we are? " term.
The team is a work - in -progress and,
without sounding too harsh, Worcester
were never really going to be competing
for honours post -Christmas ." nobody thought we would and if anybody did ? are they supporters who know about the small budget etc? " Admittedly they are out of the FA Cup , but
is losing to Blue Square Bet North rivals
Corby in the last minute such a disgrace? " nobody i know at the club and people i go to city thought it was a disgrace? " Even if results don ’ t go their way this week
— they could have hoped for a kinder
Trophy draw than Nuneaton away — fans
should be wary of calling for change." so apperantly a number of fans are contemplating geting rid of king carl a city legend who we love and has done great! because sureley he would not of posted that with just 1 or 2 saying we want him gone? " I don ’ t doubt that Heeley is disappointed
his team is not better placed at present ,
but major criticism at this stage seems a
little unjust." steve uses MAJOR CRITICISM no MAJOR criticism on here or around sgl unless im missing somthing??? ,

EXACTLY!!

[Tim Munslow]

WN are OK with publishing stuff we send and he often asks me for more good news stories! I'll send him some updates to fill his column inches.

wrote Creaner.

Could you do the same with someone at BBCHW Rob? (Preferably Trevor Owens).

It really bugs me that Warriors, Harriers and Hereford get all the mentions, but that could be because they have someone feeding news to the Beeb. It would be nice to hear some positive vibes coming out of the club.

I have mentioned this to Anthony Hampson but nothing seems to have happened.

[Deleted]

I think BBC H&W coverage has been pretty good, even some live commentary at times. As I tend to spend my Saturday afternoons working on my car, I appreciate the radio coverage.

[niels]

Not last night they weren't. Their Tuesday sport programme seemed to be devoted entirely to the Warriors, who last played on Saturday, and of that mostly to some crocked player and his choice of records, most of which he didn't really seem to like. NOT one single mention of the game, no updates, no scoreline, no nothing. Now I know it was a nothing cup game but it was between the County's two premier football sides. I don't usually critisise H&W but that was outrageous.

Thank goodness for Steve Carley's WN updates!

[pendulum]

Dam i didnt no steve was doing it i looked at 7:45 but it wasnt on there?